Hey all--working on setting up sbbs for the first time in moons. I'm having trouble enabling SSL telnet at the SBBS config level. I can't seem to find notes, documents, or mention of explicitly enabling it, and manually trying to modify sbbs.ini or services.ini using telgate sends me into a loop of failure. Can someone point me in the right direction? And more broadly, I don't know if I want/need to enable Telnet SSL, RLogin, SSH, and/or the web side of things.

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Re: Telnet confusion
By: Carpetgunk to All on Tue Apr 08 2025 01:08 pm

Hey all--working on setting up sbbs for the first time in moons. I'm having trouble enabling SSL telnet at the SBBS config level.

Synchronet doesn't support SSL telnet. What gave you the impression that it did?

I can't seem to find
notes, documents, or mention of explicitly enabling it

It's not supported.

, and manually trying
to modify sbbs.ini or services.ini using telgate

Why would use telgate to modify those files? That makes no sense.

sends me into a loop of failure.

I'm not surpised. :-)

Can someone point me in the right direction?

Synchronet doesn't support SSL telnet (more appropriately called "telnets" or Telnet over TLS).

And more broadly, I
don't know if I want/need to enable Telnet SSL, RLogin, SSH, and/or the web side of things.

No, you don't need "the web side of things" at all for the terminal server operations.
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Hi Digital,

On 2025-04-08 13:55:56, you wrote to Carpetgunk:

Can someone point me in the right direction?

Synchronet doesn't support SSL telnet (more appropriately called "telnets" or
Telnet over TLS).

On linux you can always use stunnel, to make this work. I use it to make my binkd available over SSL/TLS. ;-)


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Re: Telnet confusion
By: Digital Man to Carpetgunk on Tue Apr 08 2025 01:55 pm

Hey Rob! Thanks for the replies!

Hey all--working on setting up sbbs for the first time in moons. I'm having trouble enabling SSL telnet at the SBBS config level.

Synchronet doesn't support SSL telnet. What gave you the impression that it did?

Ha! I don't know. It's been a few decades since I was a SysOp or a user. I wrongly assumed it was a standard.

I can't seem to find
notes, documents, or mention of explicitly enabling it

It's not supported.

Yep, got it.

, and manually trying
to modify sbbs.ini or services.ini using telgate

Why would use telgate to modify those files? That makes no sense.

I thought that was the telnet service. I'm on the same page now :)

And more broadly, I
don't know if I want/need to enable Telnet SSL, RLogin, SSH, and/or the web side of things.

No, you don't need "the web side of things" at all for the terminal server operations.

I worded this poorly. I was wondering if I need to [should] enable any particular type of connection method, terminal and/or web, to accommodate users of today. Are most folks connecting certain ways more than others? I guess I could get around to enabling all methods, but I'm still curious how most folks use BBS nowadays.

Thanks again!

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Re: Telnet confusion
By: Carpetgunk to Digital Man on Tue Apr 08 2025 03:32 pm

Synchronet doesn't support SSL telnet. What gave you the impression that it did?

Ha! I don't know. It's been a few decades since I was a SysOp or a user. I wrongly assumed it was a standard.

No, you're not wrong: SSL telnet is a standard (called "telnets").
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Re: Telnet confusion
By: Digital Man to Carpetgunk on Tue Apr 08 2025 06:36 pm

No, you're not wrong: SSL telnet is a standard (called "telnets").

I wrongly assumed it was a standard used with SBBS :)

And back to the last question in my last post, is there a particular connection method most users nowaday use more than another? Web more than terminal? Telnet more than SSH? Etc.

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Re: Telnet confusion
By: Carpetgunk to Digital Man on Tue Apr 08 2025 06:55 pm

And back to the last question in my last post, is there a particular connection method most users nowaday use more than another? Web more than terminal? Telnet more than SSH? Etc.

I think Telnet is used most, but it may vary from one BBS to another. Due to the nature of web browsers (creating multiple HTTP connections per page request) and modern Web UI maintaining sessions, it may appear that there's more HTTP/HTTPS use of a Synchronet system, but gauging by the posted *content* (e.g. messages) on a BBS, they mostly come in via Telnet. Still, many of those may come via the web sockets proxy to Telnet, which would mean the end user is actually use a web browser.
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Re: Telnet confusion
By: Digital Man to Carpetgunk on Tue Apr 08 2025 07:40 pm

I think Telnet is used most, but it may vary from one BBS to another. Due to the nature of web browsers (creating multiple HTTP connections per page request) and modern Web UI maintaining sessions, it may appear that there's more HTTP/HTTPS use of a Synchronet system, but gauging by the posted *content* (e.g. messages) on a BBS, they mostly come in via Telnet. Still, many of those may come via the web sockets proxy to Telnet, which would mean the end user is actually use a web browser.

Awesome. Thanks big time for helping me knock some cobwebs off! Thanks for what you're doing, and do!

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Hi Digital,

On 2025-04-08 13:55:56, you wrote to Carpetgunk:

Can someone point me in the right direction?

Synchronet doesn't support SSL telnet (more appropriately called

"telnets" or

Telnet over TLS).

On linux you can always use stunnel, to make this work. I use it to make my binkd available over SSL/TLS. ;-)

There is an stunnel port for Windows as well, or if you're using a pfsense firewall, you can run it from there.

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