• Re: Favorite Streaming se

    From anthk@VERT to All on Thursday, March 20, 2025 09:56:04
    On 2025-02-23, Rixter <CJSPLACE!Rixter@vert.synchro.net> wrote:

    Re: Re: Favorite Streaming se
    By: Cozmo to Rixter on Sat Feb 22 2025 11:00 am

    Good for you. We never had cabletv out here in the sticks, but 2 years ago we did get cable available and we just went with internet only. We went from 8 mbps down to 400 mbps. It is so nice. We still only use digital antenna and get 40 channels on the mountain here. Sometimes now > Ri> we watch freevee for judge Judy or old tv shows. Love ME tv. My brother > Ri> speaks highly of Pluto, we will try it.
    Have a good day cozmo.

    Pluto and roku TV are pretty decent. Cable was more of a convienance more th > anything but, definitely not worth the price. I love Crime TV on my local OT > channels.

    Have a good one!

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    We use Pluto because it came with the LG TV we bought. We had the TV for a yearbefore we connected it to the internet. LOL. Pluto seems easy to understand. Itreminds me of a kind of tuner. Lots of good one show only channels. I remember
    they had a Star Trek Classic channel that ran the old Star Trek Shows 24/7 and
    we left it there for weeks. That is kind of nice.
    Have a great weekend Cozmo!
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  • From Mortar@VERT/EOTLBBS to All on Sunday, April 13, 2025 21:24:52
    Re: Re: Favorite Streaming se
    By: anthk to All on Thu Mar 20 2025 09:56:04

    Hey, guys.

    We never had cabletv out here in the sticks, but 2 years ago we did get cable available and we just went with internet...

    My family was rather late to the cable scene as well, though not /quite/ as late as you. We didn't sign up until '90, and the only reason that happened was because I signed up for TV and Internet for myself and split the connection between my den and the living room. My Ma quickly became a fan of Turner Classic movies and Lifetime. For me, it was all about the Sci-Fi Channel, Cartoon Network

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  • From Mortar@VERT/EOTLBBS to All on Sunday, April 13, 2025 22:11:03
    Re: Re: Favorite Streaming se
    By: Mortar to All on Sun Apr 13 2025 21:24:52

    [Continued from last msg.]

    of Turner Classic movies and Lifetime. For me, it was all about the Sci-Fi
    Channel, Cartoon Network and ZDTV--oh how I loved that channel.

    As for streaming, I use a number of services, but for old TV show and movies, I like Tubi. I also have Crackle, but don't use it much. I've tried a few times, but they never seemed to have what I was looking for, and now that you have to pay for it, I don't go at all.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Mortar on Monday, April 14, 2025 10:03:06
    Re: Re: Favorite Streaming se
    By: Mortar to All on Sun Apr 13 2025 09:24 pm

    My family was rather late to the cable scene as well, though not /quite/ as late as you. We didn't sign up until '90, and the only reason that happened was because I signed up for TV and Internet for myself and split the connection between my den and the living room. My Ma quickly became a fan of Turner Classic movies and Lifetime. For me, it was all about the

    Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but do you mean you got a cable TV and internet package from the cable company in 1990?

    Nightfox

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  • From MRO@VERT/BBSESINF to Mortar on Monday, April 14, 2025 20:36:27
    Re: Re: Favorite Streaming se
    By: Mortar to All on Sun Apr 13 2025 09:24 pm

    Re: Re: Favorite Streaming se
    By: anthk to All on Thu Mar 20 2025 09:56:04

    Hey, guys.

    We never had cabletv out here in the sticks, but 2 years ago we did

    get
    cable available and we just went with internet...

    My family was rather late to the cable scene as well, though not /quite/

    as
    late as you. We didn't sign up until '90, and the only reason that happened was because I signed up for TV and Internet for myself and split the connection between my den and the living room. My Ma quickly became a fan of Turner Classic movies and Lifetime. For me, it was all about the Sci-Fi Channel, Cartoon Network

    We weren't rich or anything but we had cable television back when there wasn't much ON cable. nickelodian or whatever it was before then was a real weird show. the only show that i can remember the name of is pinwheel. i still remember the song by heart. then you cant do that on television came out and my mom didn't want me watching it. i had a crush on chistine.

    anyways, when we had it, there wasn't always programming airing. it would black out for parts of the day and overnight. there wasn't much on it.
    i remember seeing mtv the first time and it was lame as hell.

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  • From Mortar@VERT/EOTLBBS to Nightfox on Tuesday, April 15, 2025 14:10:20
    Re: Re: Favorite Streaming se
    By: Nightfox to Mortar on Mon Apr 14 2025 10:03:06

    Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but do you mean you got a cable TV and internet package from the cable company in 1990?

    Yup. Cable had been available in my area since 1980-81.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Mortar on Tuesday, April 15, 2025 12:59:10
    Re: Re: Favorite Streaming se
    By: Mortar to Nightfox on Tue Apr 15 2025 02:10 pm

    Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but do you mean you got a cable TV and internet
    package from the cable company in 1990?

    Yup. Cable had been available in my area since 1980-81.

    Including cable internet? It would be surprising that cable internet would have been available in 1990.. I don't remember hearing of that back then.

    Nightfox

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  • From Mortar@VERT/EOTLBBS to Nightfox on Tuesday, April 15, 2025 23:13:40
    Re: Re: Favorite Streaming se
    By: Nightfox to Mortar on Tue Apr 15 2025 12:59:10

    Including cable internet?

    Can't speak for the early '80s, but it did exist when I got it in '90.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Mortar on Wednesday, April 16, 2025 07:29:16
    Re: Re: Favorite Streaming se
    By: Mortar to Nightfox on Tue Apr 15 2025 11:13 pm

    Including cable internet?

    Can't speak for the early '80s, but it did exist when I got it in '90.

    Interesting. I hadn't even heard about the internet until 1995, and I thought it was all dialup for home users at the time. I didn't think there was any broadband internet until at least the late 90s.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to NIGHTFOX on Wednesday, April 16, 2025 09:05:00
    Yup. Cable had been available in my area since 1980-81.

    Including cable internet? It would be surprising that cable internet would have been available in 1990.. I don't remember hearing of that back then.

    In most places in the states, I don't think it was, unless he possibly
    means IDSN service for internet. In 1990, I don't remember the Internet
    even being a thing that most people were aware of. The "GUI WWW" was not really yet a big thing then.

    I had dial-up internet then, and internet at work, and it was all text -- email, ftp, telnet, usenet news, and gopher sites.


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Dumas Walker on Wednesday, April 16, 2025 08:52:05
    Re: Re: Favorite Streaming se
    By: Dumas Walker to NIGHTFOX on Wed Apr 16 2025 09:05 am

    Including cable internet? It would be surprising that cable internet would
    have been available in 1990.. I don't remember hearing of that back then.

    In most places in the states, I don't think it was, unless he possibly means IDSN service for internet. In 1990, I don't remember the Internet even being a thing that most people were aware of. The "GUI WWW" was not really yet a big thing then.

    I had dial-up internet then, and internet at work, and it was all text -- email, ftp, telnet, usenet news, and gopher sites.

    I wasn't aware of the internet until 1995. In 1990, I knew of services like AOL, Prodigy, CompuServe etc. though.

    Nightfox

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  • From fusion@VERT/CFBBS to Dumas Walker on Wednesday, April 16, 2025 12:50:00
    On 16 Apr 2025, Dumas Walker said the following...

    In most places in the states, I don't think it was, unless he possibly means IDSN service for internet. In 1990, I don't remember the Internet even being a thing that most people were aware of. The "GUI WWW" was not really yet a big thing then.

    it's a bit disingenuous.. like saying 2.5Gbit internet was available in the 90's (it was.. to ISPs)

    in truth (adjusted for inflation, 1995) just the cablemodems for service back then were >$1000

    and (again for inflation) 1993? $11000 for the modem

    it took @Home in 1997 to make cablemodem available in a meaningful way.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to fusion on Wednesday, April 16, 2025 10:11:50
    Re: Re: Favorite Streaming se
    By: fusion to Dumas Walker on Wed Apr 16 2025 12:50 pm

    In most places in the states, I don't think it was, unless he possibly
    means IDSN service for internet. In 1990, I don't remember the Internet
    even being a thing that most people were aware of. The "GUI WWW" was not
    really yet a big thing then.

    it's a bit disingenuous.. like saying 2.5Gbit internet was available in the 90's (it was.. to ISPs)

    in truth (adjusted for inflation, 1995) just the cablemodems for service back then were >$1000

    and (again for inflation) 1993? $11000 for the modem

    it took @Home in 1997 to make cablemodem available in a meaningful way.

    Yeah, from what I remember, I think I first started hearing about broadband cable internet in 1999, though we didn't get broadnand service until 2001 or early 2002.

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  • From phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to Mortar on Wednesday, April 16, 2025 13:24:29
    Re: Re: Favorite Streaming se
    By: Mortar to Nightfox on Tue Apr 15 2025 02:10 pm

    Yup. Cable had been available in my
    area since 1980-81.

    There was cable here with dial-up
    upstream in 1990 (and probably prior),
    but bi-directional didn't arrive until
    quite some years later.

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to Nightfox on Wednesday, April 16, 2025 16:02:17
    Nightfox wrote to Mortar <=-

    Re: Re: Favorite Streaming se
    By: Mortar to Nightfox on Tue Apr 15 2025 11:13 pm

    Including cable internet?

    Can't speak for the early '80s, but it did exist when I got it in '90.

    Interesting. I hadn't even heard about the internet until 1995, and I thought it was all dialup for home users at the time. I didn't think there was any broadband internet until at least the late 90s.

    There wasn't (broadband for home internet) until at LEAST the very late
    90's, in the real world.

    I think the OP's memory may be experiencing some "bit-rot"...



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  • From Digital Man@VERT to fusion on Wednesday, April 16, 2025 15:05:13
    Re: Re: Favorite Streaming se
    By: fusion to Dumas Walker on Wed Apr 16 2025 12:50 pm

    it took @Home in 1997 to make cablemodem available in a meaningful way.

    @Home was my first cable Internet provider. I remember it being 640Kbps downstream (which was a huge upgrade over ISDN I was using before that), I don't remember what the upstream was.
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  • From Mortar@VERT/EOTLBBS to Nightfox on Wednesday, April 16, 2025 19:26:05
    Re: Re: Favorite Streaming se
    By: Nightfox to Mortar on Wed Apr 16 2025 07:29:16

    I didn't think there was any broadband internet until at least the late 90s.

    Turns out my memory is faulty. Comcast--my ISP--did't start offerig broadband until 12/96. Sorry about that.

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  • From Mortar@VERT/EOTLBBS to Dumas Walker on Wednesday, April 16, 2025 20:03:33
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    By: Dumas Walker to NIGHTFOX on Wed Apr 16 2025 09:05:00

    ...unless he possibly means IDSN service...

    You mean ISDN, and no, just a synapse lapse.

    The "GUI WWW" was not really yet a big thing then.

    Actually, it wasn't a thing at all. The first widely used WYSIWYG browser was Mosaic in 1993.

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  • From Mortar@VERT/EOTLBBS to Nightfox on Wednesday, April 16, 2025 20:13:24
    Re: Re: Favorite Streaming se
    By: Nightfox to Dumas Walker on Wed Apr 16 2025 08:52:05

    I wasn't aware of the internet until 1995. In 1990, I knew of services like AOL, Prodigy, CompuServe etc. though.

    I tried all of 'em at one time or another. I stayed with AOHell the longest--maybe a year? BBSes were my mainstay until Comcast offered broadband.

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  • From Mortar@VERT/EOTLBBS to phigan on Wednesday, April 16, 2025 20:17:00
    Re: Re: Favorite Streaming se
    By: phigan to Mortar on Wed Apr 16 2025 13:24:29

    There was cable here with dial-up...

    I was referrig to standard TV cable at that point.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to MORTAR on Thursday, April 17, 2025 08:53:00
    The "GUI WWW" was not really yet a big thing then.

    Actually, it wasn't a thing at all. The first widely used WYSIWYG browser was
    Mosaic in 1993.

    I didn't think it was but couldn't remember for sure which year it was I
    first tried out Mosaic. I knew it was between 1993 and 1997, because of
    where I was living, but that was about it. ;)

    The version I used came from Quarterdeck with a DesqView/QEMM upgrade.


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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Thursday, April 17, 2025 08:18:23
    Nightfox wrote to Mortar <=-

    Interesting. I hadn't even heard about the internet until 1995, and I thought it was all dialup for home users at the time. I didn't think there was any broadband internet until at least the late 90s.

    I remember people talking in 1993 about shell accounts at netcom, being
    able to bounce around the world on one phone call. About that time, my
    company got a 56k leased line from UC Berkeley. I had a shell account,
    tried playing with tools like SLiRP to connect Windows to the net, then
    had ISDN to my office, which had a T1. DSL wasn't until 2000 or so, and
    then it was something like 384k/128k.

    25 years later and I'm pricing out symmetric gig networking for my
    home...





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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Thursday, April 17, 2025 09:12:18
    Re: Re: Favorite Streaming se
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Thu Apr 17 2025 08:18 am

    Interesting. I hadn't even heard about the internet until 1995, and I

    I remember people talking in 1993 about shell accounts at netcom, being able to bounce around the world on one phone call. About that time, my company got a 56k leased line from UC Berkeley. I had a shell account, tried playing with tools like SLiRP to connect Windows to the net, then

    Just before I heard about the internet, I do remember people on some local BBSes in my area talking about having FTP access at those BBSes and that you could get to a shell and access FTP sites, download some files, then download the files from the BBS. I remember reading some instructions and getting on a couple of FTP sites (I don't remember where I found them), even though I didn't really know what these FTP sites were.

    Nightfox

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  • From Gamgee@VERT/PALANTIR to Dumas Walker on Thursday, April 17, 2025 13:06:31
    Dumas Walker wrote to MORTAR <=-

    The "GUI WWW" was not really yet a big thing then.

    Actually, it wasn't a thing at all. The first widely used WYSIWYG browser
    was
    Mosaic in 1993.

    I didn't think it was but couldn't remember for sure which year it was
    I first tried out Mosaic. I knew it was between 1993 and 1997, because
    of where I was living, but that was about it. ;)

    What I remember as my first browser was called NetScape, probably
    1994/95 I think. Still on dial-up at that time.



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  • From Mortar@VERT/EOTLBBS to poindexter FORTRAN on Thursday, April 17, 2025 14:12:12
    Re: Re: Favorite Streaming se
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Thu Apr 17 2025 08:18:23

    I remember people talking in 1993 about shell accounts at netcom, being
    able to bounce around the world on one phone call.

    I was introduced to the Net while I was a Computer Lab Assistant in college. The lab Coordinator said they had a shell account and showed me how to dial in using an a Tektronix 4051 and an acoustic-coupled modem. I was instantly hooked. I spent every free moment online that I could.

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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Gamgee on Thursday, April 17, 2025 13:00:22
    Re: Re: Favorite Streaming se
    By: Gamgee to Dumas Walker on Thu Apr 17 2025 01:06 pm

    What I remember as my first browser was called NetScape, probably 1994/95 I think. Still on dial-up at that time.

    Same here (and I think it was spelled as Netscape, with lowercase 's').

    Nightfox

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  • From Mortar@VERT/EOTLBBS to Nightfox on Friday, April 18, 2025 10:42:42
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    By: Nightfox to Gamgee on Thu Apr 17 2025 13:00:22

    Same here (and I think it was spelled as Netscape, with lowercase 's').

    <Psssst>...Careful, online folk hate it when you correct their spelling/grammar. Trust me, I know. ;)

    The formal name was Netscape Navigator. They later dropped the Navigator part.

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  • From Dumas Walker@VERT/CAPCITY2 to GAMGEE on Friday, April 18, 2025 09:43:00
    I didn't think it was but couldn't remember for sure which year it was
    I first tried out Mosaic. I knew it was between 1993 and 1997, because of where I was living, but that was about it. ;)

    What I remember as my first browser was called NetScape, probably
    1994/95 I think. Still on dial-up at that time.

    Same, re: dial-up. ;)


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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to Mortar on Friday, April 18, 2025 14:54:13
    Re: Browsers
    By: Mortar to Nightfox on Fri Apr 18 2025 10:42 am

    The formal name was Netscape Navigator. They later dropped the Navigator part.

    I remember. And sometimes I referred to it as "Nutscrape Masturbator"... :P

    Nightfox

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  • From phigan@VERT/TACOPRON to Mortar on Saturday, April 19, 2025 12:09:16
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    By: Mortar to phigan on Wed Apr 16 2025 08:17 pm

    I was referrig to standard TV cable at that point.

    Makes sense.

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Nightfox on Saturday, April 19, 2025 16:47:03
    Nightfox wrote to Mortar <=-

    Re: Browsers
    By: Mortar to Nightfox on Fri Apr 18 2025 10:42 am

    The formal name was Netscape Navigator. They later dropped the Navigator part.

    I remember. And sometimes I referred to it as "Nutscrape
    Masturbator"... :P

    About the same time that people called it "Internet exploder"

    Netscape came in two flavors - Navigator and Communicator. Communicator included a mail client, NNTP client, IRC client and a couple of other
    tools - HTML editor and calendar, if memory serves.

    I built an entire corporate infrastructure on it - sent out distribution
    lists via text updates, created an NNTP server for company
    collaboration, like a Yammer/Viva Engage setup, and used IRC for a
    company chat platform. All tied into Palm Pilots with a program called PocketMirror that synched everything to your Palm. It was pretty cool,
    and all totally cheap for a pre-funding startup.

    Nowadays, you'd just get google workspace and call it a day. But that's
    nowhere near as fun. :)



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  • From Nightfox@VERT/DIGDIST to poindexter FORTRAN on Saturday, April 19, 2025 18:07:12
    Re: Re: Browsers
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Sat Apr 19 2025 04:47 pm

    The formal name was Netscape Navigator. They later dropped the Navigator
    part.

    I remember. And sometimes I referred to it as "Nutscrape Masturbator"...
    :P

    About the same time that people called it "Internet exploder"

    That was MS Internet Explorer.

    Netscape came in two flavors - Navigator and Communicator. Communicator included a mail client, NNTP client, IRC client and a couple of other tools - HTML editor and calendar, if memory serves.

    I built an entire corporate infrastructure on it - sent out distribution lists via text updates, created an NNTP server for company collaboration, like a Yammer/Viva Engage setup, and used IRC for a company chat platform. All tied into Palm Pilots with a program called PocketMirror that synched everything to your Palm. It was pretty cool, and all totally cheap for a pre-funding startup.

    I remember Netscape Communicator. I had it installed for a little while, though I didn't really use it much. I tried its web designer, though I still preferred to hand-code my HTML pages at the time, since its web designer added a lot of bloat. And the Communicator browser seemed basically the same as Netscape Navigator.

    Nowadays, you'd just get google workspace and call it a day. But that's nowhere near as fun. :)

    I haven't heard of Google Workspace.. I'll have to look into it. And for the past several years, the main web browser I've been using is Vivaldi - It's a very customizable browser, and I like it.

    Nightfox

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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to poindexter FORTRAN on Sunday, April 20, 2025 18:53:23
    Re: Re: Browsers
    By: poindexter FORTRAN to Nightfox on Sat Apr 19 2025 04:47 pm

    Nightfox wrote to Mortar <=-

    Re: Browsers
    By: Mortar to Nightfox on Fri Apr 18 2025 10:42 am

    The formal name was Netscape Navigator. They later dropped the Navigat part.

    I remember. And sometimes I referred to it as "Nutscrape Masturbator"... :P

    About the same time that people called it "Internet exploder"

    Netscape came in two flavors - Navigator and Communicator. Communicator included a mail client, NNTP client, IRC client and a couple of other
    tools - HTML editor and calendar, if memory serves.

    I built an entire corporate infrastructure on it - sent out distribution lists via text updates, created an NNTP server for company
    collaboration, like a Yammer/Viva Engage setup, and used IRC for a
    company chat platform. All tied into Palm Pilots with a program called PocketMirror that synched everything to your Palm. It was pretty cool,
    and all totally cheap for a pre-funding startup.

    Nowadays, you'd just get google workspace and call it a day. But that's nowhere near as fun. :)

    What client did people use to acess the NNTP server? Just a newsreader, or was there a web frontend?

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  • From poindexter FORTRAN@VERT/REALITY to Boraxman on Monday, April 21, 2025 07:30:18
    Boraxman wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    What client did people use to acess the NNTP server? Just a
    newsreader, or was there a web frontend?

    Communicator had a newsreader back then - so did Outlook Express, and
    plain ol' Outlook, too. NNTP did 90% of what people use corporate social networks and microblogs for these days.





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  • From Boraxman@VERT/MSRDBBS to poindexter FORTRAN on Tuesday, April 22, 2025 08:38:00
    poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Boraxman <=-

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    @REPLY: <6804B603.38880.dove-ent@bbs.mozysswamp.org>
    Boraxman wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

    What client did people use to acess the NNTP server? Just a
    newsreader, or was there a web frontend?

    Communicator had a newsreader back then - so did Outlook Express, and plain ol' Outlook, too. NNTP did 90% of what people use corporate
    social networks and microblogs for these days.

    NNTP's weakness is authentication, or more specifically how identity is presented. But you are right, its quite a good option for central messaging if you can control that aspect of it. The company I work for uses Teams, which is AWFUL, as well as WeChat, which is just chat. Otherwise, its all done by email groups, which are a mess. Group emails by CC'ing in everyone is just a headache. Before that it was some Microsoft Web based system, which also sucked.

    Its weird how people keep trying to reinvent the same thing over and over. Technologies which solve problems alread exist, but whoever is in IT, making decisions or proposals simply isn't aware of what current technology can do, and
    looks at the next marketed fad and tries that. So, so often at work I have to do things in a hamfisted and awkward way, which could be much, much better, using tools which have already existed for decades, and are FREE!


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  • From Bf2k+@VERT/TACOPRON to Boraxman on Tuesday, April 22, 2025 20:45:34
    Re: Re: Browsers
    By: Boraxman to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Apr 22 2025 08:38 am

    Its weird how people keep trying to reinvent the same thing over and over. Technologies which solve problems alread exist, but whoever is in IT, making decisions or proposals simply isn't aware of what current technology can do,

    You said a mouthful there. I think they do it to say they invented something new and get a paycheck for it.

    In the PLC/HMI world where I live, this has been going on for decades now. I recently has a conversation with a young engineer where he told me he was working on a way to collect data from a printing press. I didn't have the heart to tell him I was doing that in the 80's.

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  • From Cougar428@VERT/CJSPLACE to BF2K+ on Wednesday, April 23, 2025 09:12:00
    Quoting Bf2k+ to Boraxman <=-
    You said a mouthful there. I think they do it to say they invented something new and get a paycheck for it.
    In the PLC/HMI world where I live, this has been going on for decades
    now. I recently has a conversation with a young engineer where he told
    me he was working on a way to collect data from a printing press. I didn't have the heart to tell him I was doing that in the 80's.

    What's old is new again! If we fail to remember the past, we are doomed
    to repeat it. Or in this case try to remake it.

    B^)


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